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Postaj by Pfaff uto 23 vel 2016 - 21:39

Kad budem sljedeći put kuhao špagete, zvat ću Te da mi ih promiješaš rolling on the floor

Ne kužim kako se tu uopće više snalaziš...

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Postaj by borna uto 23 vel 2016 - 22:10

Hvala na pozivu, volim one duugačke talijanske koji su već u ambalaži smotani a imaju valjda po 2-3 metra laugh 2
/negdje oko 1970 sam u Milanu bio u nekom restoranu specijaliziranom za špagete i ostale tjestenine, bio sam jaako gladan jer sam preskočio
ručak pa sam pojeo 2 porcije takovih dugačkih uz 1/2 litre jakog crnjaka.....po noći me u hotelu spopala muka tako da i nisam stigao do WC-a
nego se pobluvao duž cijelog duugačkog hodnika (zašto je wc uvijek daleko od sobe?) i kad sam se malo oporavio sam išao čistiti svoje duugačke
špagete/
     Za sada mogu ući i kroz sredinu makete pa raditi na pruzi i KM no kad postavim zadnji dio trase to više neće biti moguće.
Te završne stvari ću raditi samo odozgora sa jedne ili druge strane.
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Postaj by borna čet 25 vel 2016 - 19:45

Zaboravio sam dodati da nakon te špagetomanije nijesam mogao smisliti tjesteninu barem godinu dana!
Evo novih radnih pobjeda, KM je došao do kraja 3.nivoa
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Žice treba još malo dotjerati (na slici se vidi da jedna visi) no to ide lagano uz stalnu kontrolu vagončeka sa pantografom
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Sutra slijedi stavljanje trase zadnjeg nivoa
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Postaj by Pfaff čet 25 vel 2016 - 19:52

KM nema one utege za zatezanje što ih Ganciji redovito kradu?

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Postaj by borna čet 25 vel 2016 - 20:10

Ovaj kasnije nevidljiv dio ih nema jer i ne trebaju, to je dovoljno čvrsto i napeto.
Na vidljivom djelu gdje će biti stara Maerklinova KM bit će atrapa zatezača jer i njemu to nije potrebno.
        Danas se radi nekoliko jako vjernih kontaktnih mreža (Wiessmann npr) koji su jako tanki i zaista trebaju zatezače. No ako slučajno
čovjek nepažnjom zapne za žicu odmah nastanu veliki problemi a i sam KM dođe više od pruge i skretnica!
Rijetke su makete na kojima se stvarno vozi preko KM jer je dosta teško sve izvesti precizno. I jedno ispadanje pantografa pored KM može
prouzročiti njegovo oštećenje a novi dođe 15-25 eura! (sve to je precijenjeno)
        /najčešće se vozi sa spuštenim pantografima ispod KM Evil or Very Mad  ili su oni fiksirani u položaj na 1 mm ispod mreže/
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Postaj by borna ned 28 vel 2016 - 20:03

Dodan je jedan zavoj na kojeg se nastavlja 4. nivo
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KM je također napredovala
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To su sada opasne visine, ograda je prva koja slijedi /inače maketa će straga i na obje bočne strane biti do zida tako da prema tim stranama
nema opasnosti/
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Dakle sutra najprije ograda pa brojne probe i kad sve bude u redu zadnjih 3 metra do izlaska je već spremno!
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Postaj by borna pet 4 oľu 2016 - 19:28

Nešto mi uvijek zadrhti ruka kad slikam mobitelom? /bit će da previše šarafim sitne vijke sve dok ne dobijem grčeve u šaci/
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Dakle pruga je došla do kraja, odmah slijedi i ograda
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Slijedio je i gornji vod
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Na jednom dijelu pruga ide točno iznad one ispod, ostao je svega milimetar- dva slobodnog prostora
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Razmak od jedne do druge trase je 90 mm
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Slijedi najprije čišćenje, uređenje i slaganje žica pa probne vožnje dugačkih vlakova.
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Postaj by Damir pet 4 oľu 2016 - 22:40

Bornice dragi!
Zašto ti ručice tresu kad fotkaš modele i maketu,zeru su ti fotke šle štrambo!? mrgreen
Nemoj biti ko ona  krznena "životinjka" ... ipak On ima DSLR sa objektivima IS pa mu fotke ispadaju još huje (gore) nego tebi!?
I takav bi nas trebao predstavljati u railfanovsko/modelarskom svijetu? laugh 2

Ala,smiri te ručice i objektiv znam da ti to možeš puno bolje. super2
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Postaj by borna sub 5 oľu 2016 - 9:01

Znam da krivo delam, slikam kad sam gotov sa radovima (nakon nekoliko sati prčkanja) kad sam umoran!
Trebao bi slikati drugi dan prije početaka novih radova.
Ako čovjek nije sabran, smiren i pri sebi nikakovi DSLR i SS aparati ne pomažu da se dobije dobra slika!
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Postaj by Damir sub 5 oľu 2016 - 10:49

borna je napisao/la: SS aparati
lud od smijeha  super2
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Postaj by Pfaff sub 5 oľu 2016 - 19:16

Damir je napisao/la:
borna je napisao/la: SS aparati
lud od smijeha  super2
Bolje aparati nego postrojbe... Evil or Very Mad

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Postaj by borna pon 7 oľu 2016 - 20:24

Danas sam spojio sve žice za sada (doći će još 30-ak žica za kontrolnu ploču sa shemom pruge i signalizacijom stanja)
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Kad sve funkcije više puta isprobam grupirat ću žice
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Za sada sve slobodno visi
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Treba isprobati više raznih lokomotiva sa raznim kompozicijama
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Postaj by borna uto 8 oľu 2016 - 12:18

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Velikim slovima su obilježene pružne izolacije, malim slovom je izolacija KM
Š jesu šalt-tračnice na kojima lokomotiva skijom da strujni impuls (u smjeru vožnje. Š od 13 do 16 se nalaze na drugim djelovima makete.
K su kontaktne tračnice na kojima lok i vagoni daju trajnu struju na izvodu dokle god se nalaze na njima (kao signal zauzeća tog bloka)
Malo objašnjenje rada- kad jedan vlak izađe sa bloka A ili B preko š3 daje zeleno izlaznom signalu na stanici prije. Drugi vlak izlazi iz stanice
te preko š1 gasi izlazni signal na crveno i dolazi na slobodan kolosjek (A ili B) Vlak sa bloka C može ući u stanicu na slobodan kolosjek tek kad
neki treći vlak ode iz te stanice u drugom smjeru i preko š14 da zeleno za ulazak u stanicu.
Na dvokolosječnoj pruzi je isto- jedan vlak može dalje tek kad vlak ispred njega izađe iz slijedećeg bloka te na drugom u nizu dade impuls
za zeleno. Ukoliko je puno kompozicija vlakovi će voziti od bloka do bloka, kod manje kompozicija na maketi prelazit će i više blokova odjednom.
Još jednom dorađena shema spajanja na upravljačkoj ploči
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Trebat ću je napraviti još jednom sa boljom raspodjelom žica u prostoru, strelice iznad š gore označavaju vezu prema drugim upravljačkim pločama.
Transformatora će biti 4, 2 su za vožnju preko KM. Na cijeloj maketi će biti jedna višepolna sklopka kojom ću moći birati analognu ili digitalnu
vožnju, bit će moguće i kombinacije dole analog gore (KM) digital ili obrnuto (zato su na relejima i odvojeni kontakti za odsječke).
Imam još slobodnih spojnih mjesta jer ću naknadno napraviti i kontrolnu ploču sa shemom pruge isignalizacijom stanja na blokovima (crveno ili zeleno) te zauzećem pruge (bijelo)- to je ukupno još 30-ak žica!
/ako nekome treba još objašnjenja čekam pitanja/

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Postaj by borna uto 8 oľu 2016 - 12:36

Malo slika šalt i kontakt tračnica....prva je M (stara metalna)
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Ovo je K (kunsttof iliti plastična)
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I najnovija C
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Stare M kontaktne tračnice
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Kod K i C tračnica je jednostavno napraviti izolaciju samo jedne šine te se stoga više ne radi posebno.
Zanimljivo je da se i u Z radi šalt tračnica
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Postaj by borna sri 9 oľu 2016 - 20:58

Danas sam zaključio da je (za sada) gotov donji dio tako da sam ga išao gurnuti na mjesto gdje će i biti. Najprije sam morao na njega staviti
gornji dio...
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Pa sam onda sve odgurao do kraja prostorije gdje će i biti
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Sutra ću taj gornji dio skinuti i pomaknuti na sredinu tako da se mogu primiti posla i na njemu, i tu će biti veselja sa nivoima, skrivenim stanicama
ali bit će i dosta vidljivih djelova sa mostovima i tunelima!
Inače neki dan me Murphy zabavio kratkim spojem na pruzi... smiling devil
Zadnje djelove pruge donjeg dijela sam testirao i bilo je sve Ok pa sam išao stavljati KM, nakon toga odjednom imam negdje kratki spoj?
Najprije sam isključivao pojedine sekcije pruge (od bloka do bloka) da otkrijem na kojoj je kvar, kad sam je otkrio pažljivo gledam i ne vidim
razlog? Onda sam išao odspajati tračnicu po tračnicu dok nisam došao do problematične.
Tek tada sam zaista pregledavanjem svakog mm otkrio jednu malu kuglicu tinola koja se zabila kroz rupu na sredini gdje izlazi srednji vod
te ga spojila sa masom cijele šine!
Dok sam lemio KM stavljao sam uvijek ispod jedan komad pertinaksa da spriječim nešto takovo, no jedna kuglica se otkotrljala i upala u taj otvor.
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Postaj by Pfaff sri 9 oľu 2016 - 21:06

Prijedlog Murphyju: Kad sve metneš na mjesto, pregorit će žarulja u reflektoru na stropu!

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Postaj by borna sri 9 oľu 2016 - 21:22

To mi se već dogodilo smiling devil i to ubrzo nakon što sam montirao reflektore!
Imaju male halogene cijevi od 150 Va koje nisu baš jeftine pa sam pretražio razne trgovine. Cijene su od 45 do 90 kn (a cijeli novi reflektor me
došao 90 kn u Metrou pred par godina) pa sam srećom u jednoj novootvorenoj maloj željezariji našao po 25 kn (i uzeo odmah rezerve)
Kupio bih ja rado Led reflektore ali su za sada još preskupi, adekvatan ovom od 150 Va treba biti od najmanje 20 Va.
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Postaj by borna uto 15 oľu 2016 - 20:17

Prije dalnjih radova sam napravio reda na radnom stolu i montirao stalažu iznad njega
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Na gornjem dijelu sam skratio desnu stranu jer će se na njemu pruga pojaviti iz tunela nešto prije
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Na stražnje uglove sam postavio male dijagonale za učvršćenje budući da taj dio neće biti zatvoren gore kao donji dio
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Počelo je i slaganje pruge, prvi nivo izgleda kao onaj na donjem dijelu makete
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Tu se javlja i treća pruga koja će kroz tunele i mostove doći do vrha
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I na ovom dijelu se neće vidjeti povratna petlja (ovaj puta za gornju stanicu)
Jednokolosječna pruga će jedino na ovom dijelu biti mjestimično sa R1, na vidljivim djelovima sa R2.
Otraga između prvog i drugog nivoa se nalazi još jedna skrivena stanica za izmjenu vlakova. Neupućeni se uvijek iznenade kad vide da je u tunel
ušao jedan vlak a izlazi drugi!
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Postaj by borna sri 23 oľu 2016 - 20:11

Radovi se nastavljaju uz poneke prekide i na žalost radim svega 3 sata dnevno (u prosjeku)...
Neke trase za jednokolosječnu prugu sam brzo izrezao, postavio par potpornih stupova i montirao
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Probne vožnje su bile OK pa sam počeo sa pripremom za KM
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Izvan tunela dolaze pravi stupovi
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Prije lemljenja gornji vod treba podložiti na odgovarajućoj visini
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Izvježbao sam se na istom takvom donjem dijelu makete pa sve ide brže
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Sutra će postavljanje KM biti gotovo pa onda slijede vožnje preko pantografa
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Postaj by borna sub 26 oľu 2016 - 19:24

Sve ide sporije negoli bih to želio, kako radi drugih obaveza tako i radi dodatnih komplikacija. Jednokolosječnu prugu sam morao malo
izbaciti izvan gabarita makete (3 cm) jer nije bilo dovoljno visine za prelazak preko KM.
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Drugo rješenje bi bilo da ukopam donju prugu za nekih 1,5 cm koliko mi je nedostajalo, no onda bi morao stanjiti okvir. Treće rješenje bi bilo da počnem
ranije sa usponom no to bi mi pokvarilo ulazak u stanicu. /i ovako je ta pruga na ulasku viša za 1,5 cm od dvokolosječne/
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Ovako sve prolazi na milimetar. kako po visini tako i po širini
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Mjesta za uobičajenu letvicu ojačanja ispod trase također nema pa sam stavio 2 male navojne šipke
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Moram prije nastavka uspona staviti zaštitne ograde a bogme i dobro testirati donji nivo sa elektrom!
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Postaj by borna čet 31 oľu 2016 - 21:29

Nastavio sam dalje sa penjanjem u visine (ograde mogu staviti i kasnije, ionako će ih trebati i na višim predjelima)
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Ovdje se ulazi u još jednu skrivenu stanicu, ovaj puta na jednokolosječnoj pruzi. Vlak koji dođe npr odozgora u stanici
ćeka na mimoilazak sa vlakom koji dođe odozdo.
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U stvari mi se žuri jer za nekoliko dana bježim na more pa bi htio napraviti što više uspona, zanima me kako će to izgledati
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Ovdje će pruga izaći iz tunela na most i prijeći preko pruge koja se uspinje iz stanice (donja pruga se neće vidjeti).
Ispred i iznad toga će doći još jedan duugački most kojim će se dolaziti na završnu stanicu.
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Taj prvi niži most će biti izveden u jednom obliku (izvedbi nosećih stupova) a zadnji dugački koji će ići sa sa lijeve na desnu
stranu makete će biti kao vijadukt sa jednim velikim rasponom u sredini
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Penjem se postepeno, dio po dio i kad vidim gdje trebam napraviti stupove (ili staviti navojnu šipku) to napravim te
spojim sa prethodnim dijelom!
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Ovdje dolazi zadnji zavoj prije izlaska na zadnji most
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Postaj by borna čet 7 tra 2016 - 21:12

Još se malo napravilo, ono što je jučer bilo improvizirano danas je čvrsto (prilaz mostu)
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Most treba još međusobno slijepiti, ukloniti suvišne nosače stupova za KM i napraviti 5 stupova koji će ga nositi.
Stupovi će biti od drva na kojega ću kasnije zalijepiti izrezbareni stiren ili kapa pločesa imitacijom kamenja.
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Još mi je preostao zadnji zavoj prije izlaska na zadnji most, najduži i najviši....no to ću napraviti kad se vratim u Zg
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